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JRoyC07 wrote:

You miss the distinction between the Judeo-Christian god, and an Almighty being.

What's the difference?  At the end of the day, you still end up believing in a super-human-sky-dad.

Raoul Duke wrote:

Ray bought a new ghillie suit?

Raoul Duke wrote:

Quarken wrote:

Raoul Duke wrote:

Why ask you to change your favored writing instrument?

How did you know?  I guess it's gotta suck getting bested by a guy who uses crayons.  It's ok, I'll let you borrow them when you're older.

When I've been bested I'll let you know.  For now all that's happened is some jackass keeps repeating tired arguments while not answering any questions directly. 

I didn't miss the problem of suffering.  You also didn't miss the mention of free will; you just don't understand it.  As for context, let's keep it simple  - in deference to your mind - since you have said that God is as simple to disprove as Santa - disprove him. 

Quark wrote:

That's a nice self portrait there, Raoul.  "If I only had a brain!"

oooh....buurrrrrrn. 

Show how smart you are and disprove God.  What you have said thus far may seem new and/or compelling to you, but it's pretty much standard issue atheist "dang them godheads is dumb" claptrap.

Lol, you posted the clever picture.  If you can't handle the jabs, then put a tampon in it.

Free will doesn't explain the existence of suffering.  Why not just be made impervious to it.  God is omnipotent, right?

Wow, that took a whole two sentences, but I'm sure I lost you after the two syllable word.  Keep following that yellow brick road, Ace, there may be hope for you. 

Quarken wrote:

Free will doesn't explain the existence of suffering.  Why not just be made impervious to it.  God is omnipotent, right?

If God made us impervious to suffering, then we could not excercise our will to suffer, if we were so inclined.

I don't know about everyone else, but I think this thread has served an important purpose.

No one but Quarken could have made an argument that could so thoroughly convince Seabird to re-adopt his faith.

MC Escher wrote:

No, I think pretty much all hardcore atheists sound equally stupid.

What about hardcore Evangelicals?

Seabird wrote:

I don't have the energy or tolerance for being faithful anymore. Guy has helped me to understand the futility of trying to believe in and/or understand religion, so I'm going to go the atheism route for a while. I just can't muster the patience or discipline it takes to devote myself to the kind of study and deep introspective thought to really understand and feel comfortable with Christianity. I don't feel like I'll ever be a true Christian without attaining his level of knowledge and experience.

If the rest of you want to continue on in this pointless pursuit of understanding God, I won't try and discourage you. But I personally don't have the time or will to work at it anymore. Especially since I seem to make nothing but mistake after mistake anyway. What's the point? Guy has made it clear that attaining heaven is nearly impossible for most people.

I don't know if this a sincere crisis of faith, or just an indictment of the supposed 'need' to exhibit an informed and fanatical association with a particular belief system, so I apologize for my cynicism.  The sarcasm and references to inside jokes on this board are often times extremely subtle. 

Seabird: if this is something that you are genuinely going through, you have my sympathy.

Don't dwell on the subject in excess, as it will only lead to depression and take away from other (arguably more important) aspects of your life.  There are people who love you and depend on you, and you have people you love and depend on.  That won't change. 

The type of person you are is not defined by your association of belief, but by how you chose to live/act/decide based on the beliefs that you hold personally important.  Those things aren't open for interpretation or debate, and they can serve as your foundation.

Listen more than you talk, observe, learn how to look at things from an opposing perspective, and try practicing introspection as opposed to constantly looking for someone else's idea to adopt. 

Religous texts are full of important lessons and accumulated wisdom, but they are guides; not instructions.  Read them accordingly.

I really don't know what else to add....

Smoke breaks are never as long as you would like.

Seabird...  Don't sweat it -- I walked away in 1983.  Hated God, never gonna set foot in a church again.  Told the pastor to stick his Bible, his church, and his god up his A$$.  The way I said it, I'm not sure that he didn't...  But, God had other plans, and in spite of my own issues, He came looking for me.  You can only sit back and hope He does the same for you.

For the rest of the bunch, this isn't about religion.  Religion is dead.

Quarken wrote:

Of course not.  Which is why you decided to whine about it.

You can repost the rest of your drivel in the thread now dedicated to the subject.  I have already had to repeat myself enough times that I'm not going to do so in two threads.

Ta ta.  I've got some mocha lattes to whip up. 

More unsupportable nonsense.  Show where I've whined.  Not where you decided to interpret it that way. 

I can't comply with your second sentence since unlike you I have posted no drivel.  As for repeating yourself; you have not had to.  You seem to enjoy it.  Probably because it's your only recourse and you somehow seem to believe repetition makes what you say true.

2.DOH wrote:

Ray bought a new ghillie suit?

Great for hunting scarecrows.  I need a head of a scarecrow mounted on the wall of my study.  It sucks that I cannot enjoy the blend of American and Turkish tobacco while wearing it, though.

Veritas wrote:

Quarken wrote:

OH NOS, IVE BEEN ACCUSED OF WORKING IN A COFFEE SHOP.  HOW WILL I SURVIVE TEH INDIGNITEE!?!!11!


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