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#1 05-13-2008 02:32 AM

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Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Quarken, we are in awe of your higher brain function. With that said, disprove god. (FWIW I'm an atheist for all intents and purposes)

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#2 05-13-2008 03:10 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

maxor wrote:

Quarken, we are in awe of your higher brain function. With that said, disprove god. (FWIW I'm an atheist for all intents and purposes)

He can't.

He can attempt to turn it around on you and ask you questions in the hope that you don't notice that he isn't even ATTEMPTING to disprove the existence of God.

He can attempt to fool you into thinking that the holy book of this religion or that contains contradictions and that THAT means something, but he cannot explain how books written by men contain proof one way or the other about a deity.

He can talk himself blue in the face trying to convince you that he doesn't have to prove anything, but he cannot explain how it is that he has no burden off proof for his own theory.


In the end, he knows that God can neither be proven nor disproven (either that or he's dumber than he looks), but he figures that all he's really obligated to do to prove his theory (That there is no God) is to throw out verbal garbage about Santa Claus or 6 foot easter bunnies.


The fact is, that he's just another annoying "Rebel without a Clue" from the suburbs that has Christian parents that he has "issues" with; and he is absolutely certain that trying to cram his atheist theory down everyone's throat is a mark of high intellect.

He's also convinced that trying to force his views on everyone he come in contact with is somehow DIFFERENT than what the religious nutters do.


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#3 05-13-2008 11:31 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Sorry, I have an actual job.  Most adults do.

Anywho, here ya go!


Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?  Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?  Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

~Epicurus


So, the knee jerk response is "free will!"

Not so fast. 

1) God could have made humans impervious to suffering, while not curtailing free will.

2) Suffering is not always a result of free will (natural disasters).


Of course, I have brought all this up before, but no one has addressed it.  I am sure that will not change in this thread, but it should be an interesting read.  smile

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#4 05-13-2008 11:38 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Hold on Kid...

It's YOUR job to DISPROVE the existence of God.


Perhaps your problem is that you don't quite understand what "Proof" means.

Do you need an explanation?


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#5 05-13-2008 11:39 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Everyone back off....


Let me have this one.


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#6 05-13-2008 11:49 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Lol, the big guns now, eh?

Don't waste my time by coming here claiming I didn't do what I just did do.

How about you address the argument, Corky?

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#7 05-14-2008 12:41 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Quarken wrote:

Lol, the big guns now, eh?

Don't waste my time by coming here claiming I didn't do what I just did do.

How about you address the argument, Corky?

You haven't made an argument. You're merely put forward a set of rhetorical questions.

Which begs the question; Do you genuinely believe that a set of rhetorical questions constitutes proof, or are you genuinely unaware of what precisely proof IS?


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#8 05-14-2008 12:54 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God


It is now a few minutes before 9:00pm Eastern Savings Time. (GMT -4)

I'll check this thread again between 9:30 & 10:00, before I head to bed; to see if you have decided to discuss this topic in an honest manner.

Frankly, I don't think you have anything more than sophistry and rhetorical games.
But I am entirely ready to have you demonstrate that I am wrong.


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#9 05-14-2008 02:04 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God



It's 10:00.

So far it seems that I'm correct.

When someone calls your bluff and you're faced with the prospect of having to actually REASON instead of simply spraying rhetoric; you suddenly lose your voice.

I'm going to bed. I'll check in on you tomorrow and see if you've found your voice yet.




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8:00am Edit:

Well, if he doesn't return by the end of the day TODAY; it will be pretty clear that he doesn't have the courage of his own convictions and arguably will have conceded the argument.

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#10 05-14-2008 11:53 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

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Quarken has apparently decided to concede defeat by default.

Buh-Bye. Better luck in your sophomore year.




Clay...

Perhaps you should change the title of this thread to "Quarken Fails". Or maybe even; "Quarken Fails, and runs away in shame."


These clowns are pretty much all the same. Once you cut away the usual thread clutter and leave them exposed, they run away faster than cockroaches scattering after the lights are turned on.

It's because people who do not possess the ability to REASON can only argue by throwing other people's words at you. And that only works when the thread is cluttered enough and moving fast enough that it HIDES what they are doing.

When you isolate them and take away their camouflage, backing them into a corner where they would actually have to THINK instead of just parroting; they get scared of being exposed and run away.

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#11 05-15-2008 12:01 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Is that a better title?

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#12 05-15-2008 12:07 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Oh, much.


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#13 05-15-2008 12:09 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Never underestimate the power of solipsism.

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#14 05-15-2008 12:27 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Woyzeck wrote:

Never underestimate the power of solipsism.

LOL, I wasn't going to go THAT far.

I was simply going to guide him into understanding the difference between arguments and proof. I would have LIKED to guide him to understand the difference between Spirituality and Religion, but frankly... There was NO WAY he was going to grasp a concept like that.

An Atheist takes the EXACT same leap of faith that a Theist does; he just does it in the opposite direction.


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#15 05-15-2008 02:39 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

dgm wrote:

Is that a better title?

Excellent.


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#16 05-15-2008 02:44 AM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

I'm taking credit for him.  Gonna blame us just because he posted there first?  Ain't fair...

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#17 05-15-2008 01:34 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Biker Dude wrote:

I'm taking credit for him.

Does this mean you brought him over?  If so, we are in your debt.

I regret that Barney self terminated so early in his visit too.  Tough to have a circus without the dancing bear.


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#18 05-15-2008 01:56 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Biker Dude wrote:

Gonna blame us just because he posted there first?  Ain't fair...

Life ain't fair.


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#19 05-15-2008 02:08 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

zukiphile wrote:

Biker Dude wrote:

I'm taking credit for him.

Does this mean you brought him over?  If so, we are in your debt.

I regret that Barney self terminated so early in his visit too.  Tough to have a circus without the dancing bear.

Luckily the supply of dancing bears never runs out.


This place reminds me of Santa's workshop. Except it smells like mushrooms and everyone looks like they want to hurt me.

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#20 05-15-2008 02:14 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

MC Escher wrote:

Life ain't fair.

QFMFT

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#21 05-15-2008 02:19 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

dgm wrote:

MC Escher wrote:

Life ain't fair.

QFMFT

Is there an acronym dictionary around here?

Because otherwise I'm going to start using random letter combinations in all my posts.


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#22 05-15-2008 02:24 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

Quoted For MotherFucking Truth.


Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded.  Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave. -Dr. Lyle Rossiter

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#23 05-15-2008 02:25 PM

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Karl Lazlo, Esq. wrote:

Quoted For MotherFucking Truth.

oic kthx


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#24 05-15-2008 02:29 PM

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Re: Quarken from IAP Utterly and Completely Fails to Disprove God

MC Escher wrote:

dgm wrote:

MC Escher wrote:

Life ain't fair.

QFMFT

Is there an acronym dictionary around here?

Because otherwise I'm going to start using random letter combinations in all my posts.

FWIW, I thought QFMFT meant Quit Farting you Mother Fucking Toad.

So I've learned something.




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#25 05-15-2008 02:31 PM

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zukiphile wrote:

oic kthx

I am here to help.


Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded.  Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave. -Dr. Lyle Rossiter

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