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#1 07-03-2008 02:16 AM

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U.S. places freeze on solar plants

US freezes building of new solar plants on federal lands
Email|Link|Comments (188)Posted by David Beard, Boston.com Staff June 28, 2008 04:15 PM
The United States government has decided to freeze movement on new solar energy proposals on public lands. The Bureau of Land Management has issued a moratorium that likely will last two years to ''study'' the issue, the New York Times reported today. Click here for the story

The decision comes amid more than 130 project proposals since 2005 that aim to provide enough energy for 20 million homes. One reason given by the federal government: it has to study how to reclaim the land after the 20-30-year period that it is used for solar energy.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” Holly Gordon, vice president for legislative and regulatory affairs for Ausra, a California-based solar thermal energy company, told the Times. “The Bureau of Land Management land has some of the best solar resources in the world. This could completely stunt the growth of the industry.”

The move comes as countries such as Germany have issued sweeping incentives to attract more solar resources, as a way to stimulate energy independence from fossil fuels and Middle East oil producers, as well as try to make a dent in a worsening greenhouse gas problem. Some growing US producers, such as Marlborough-based Evergreen Solar, have big contracts with German companies.

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and his energy and environment chief, Ian Bowles, have placed big bets on alternative energy and ''clean tech'' companies like Evergreen in their efforts to recoup jobs lost over the last decade to outsourcing.

The industry is already concerned over the fate of federal solar investment tax credits, which are set to expire at the end of the year unless Congress renews them.

The energy independence argument was used by President Bush on June 18 when he swept aside two decades of presidential policies to back oil exploration and drilling off the US coast. Bush, his father and his brother long had cited environmental concerns in supporting a ban on such drilling.

The president also has proposed opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling, a move opposed by the presidential contender of his own party, John McCain, as well as Democratic hopeful Barack Obama.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/g … cat_1.html


When we are facing an energy crises as we have today, this is ridiculous.


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#2 07-03-2008 02:23 AM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

But you wait, as soon as we have change in the White House.... ahhh nevermind, this whole thing is fucked up.


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#3 07-03-2008 12:16 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

WTF? That's all kinds of stupid. Way to go, guys.


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#4 07-03-2008 12:34 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

axe wrote:

WTF? That's all kinds of stupid. Way to go, guys.

Somebody apparently saw the light, or had it beaten into them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/us/03 … =permalink


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#5 07-03-2008 12:43 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

Which one is it that birds keep flying into; wind mills or solar panels?

..cause which ever one it is, I'm against it... oh & PROSECUTE BIG OIL!!!!...NO NEW DRILLING!!!


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#6 07-03-2008 12:51 PM

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Thundersnow wrote:

When we are facing an energy crises as we have today, this is ridiculous.

The question you should ask is whether it is a great idea for the BLM to control as much as 3/4 of some states.  If they have poor judgement on this topic, I wouldn't assume they know what they are doing elsewhere.


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#7 07-03-2008 02:00 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

Poor judgement on one topic hardly indicates the same of another.


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#8 07-07-2008 01:13 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

Thundersnow wrote:

Poor judgement on one topic hardly indicates the same of another.

Knowledge is topic specific.  Judgment is not.


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#9 07-07-2008 07:41 PM

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Raoul Duke wrote:

Thundersnow wrote:

Poor judgement on one topic hardly indicates the same of another.

Knowledge is topic specific.  Judgment is not.

Excellent.

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#10 07-11-2008 05:30 PM

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dubfan wrote:

axe wrote:

WTF? That's all kinds of stupid. Way to go, guys.

Somebody apparently saw the light, or had it beaten into them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/us/03 … =permalink

Wish they had, but what I'm fearing is that the moratorium will simply become de facto rather than official - because the BLM still doesn't have enough staff working on these permits, and some creative accounting and budget-jiggering will delay their processing just as surely as an official moratorium.  I would expect nothing else from the Band of Losers and Misfits.

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#11 07-11-2008 05:32 PM

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Re: U.S. places freeze on solar plants

zukiphile wrote:

Thundersnow wrote:

When we are facing an energy crises as we have today, this is ridiculous.

The question you should ask is whether it is a great idea for the BLM to control as much as 3/4 of some states.  If they have poor judgement on this topic, I wouldn't assume they know what they are doing elsewhere.

Oh, it's a terrible idea - the BLM is as bad as the Corps of Engineers and the Bureau of Reclamation in the "fucking up so hard they must be trying to" stakes.  It makes the EPA - my former employer - look focused, effective, and well-led.  I respect a few things they're doing, but not much.

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