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devilether96 wrote:

and he's def never heard of a michael ramirez, nor of Investor's Business Daily, nor has he ever seen the two together on July 15

I've accessed IBD articles online, but I didn't know they had cartoons.  I don't doubt someone else came up with that line before I heard it, but I had no one to attribute it to.

zukiphile wrote:

devilether96 wrote:

and he's def never heard of a michael ramirez, nor of Investor's Business Daily, nor has he ever seen the two together on July 15

I've accessed IBD articles online, but I didn't know they had cartoons.  I don't doubt someone else came up with that line before I heard it, but I had no one to attribute it to.

of course....i had just come across it after I read your post. just pokin' fun

I found the speech mostly unremarkable.  I think Hanson has it right.  I didn't catch his observation about his race being inaccurate.

Hanson wrote:

Besides the usual rock-star stuff that he excels at, Obama still does not do history well. He started, as in now usual, almost immediately by mentioning his race (“I know that I don’t look like the Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city.”) But that simply was not true, given the fact that for the last seven years both American Secretaries of State — who have been the faces of American foreign policy in Europe — were African-American.

His reference to why Berlin did not starve in 1948 (“But in the darkest hours, the people of Berlin kept the flame of hope burning. The people of Berlin refused to give up. And on one fall day, hundreds of thousands of Berliners came here, to the Tiergarten, and heard the city’s mayor implore the world not to give up on freedom.”) seems somewhat misleading: the city was kept alive not by “the world” or even the courage of the hungry Berliners, but by skill and courage of the U.S. Air Force.

Three conclusions:

One, the public spectacle was of enormous political value to Obama, given the vast press coverage and the enthusiastic crowds.

Two, pundits will probably praise — and then forget — the speech in the same manner they did his embarrassing “I can no more disown Rev. Wright . . . ” race sermon which they once compared to the Gettsyburg Address — before quietly deleting it.

Three, I doubt aping the European line about U.S. torture, global warming, Darfur, etc. will result in any more NATO troops to Afghanistan, or anything else forthcoming from Europe. As it is, they want less, not more, military spending; their extra-constitutional anti-terror laws, spy-cameras, and preventive detentions make the Patriot Act look like Cub Scout bylaws; and their new anti-immigration protocols would earn calls of “fascism” if enacted here at home.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mz … I0MTc2YjA=

Changey McHope wrote:

Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President...

What is the implication of this transparent and gratuitous falsehood?

Charles Taylor wrote:

I can't believe any of you.  Nothing but criticism of the most progressive (and generally interesting) presidential campaign in modern history.

Meanwhile, the GOP candidate is telling bad jokes into broken microphones.

edit: In front of Obama supportors no less.

So you -don't- want to discuss the implications of his speech then?


Let us consider ourselves properly chastised by this detached, incisive and objective summary.


Henceforth let there be only one response to BHO!

"Go tell it!
Go tell it!
Go tell it!..."

zukiphile wrote:

Charles Taylor wrote:

I can't believe any of you.  Nothing but criticism of the most progressive (and generally interesting) presidential campaign in modern history.

Meanwhile, the GOP candidate is telling bad jokes into broken microphones.

edit: In front of Obama supportors no less.

So you -don't- want to discuss the implications of his speech then?


Let us consider ourselves properly chastised by this detached, incisive and objective summary.

Well, I'm actually slammed at work today, and won't be able to review the speech in detail, or properly ridicule the McCain camp's terribly ineffective (of potentially historical magnitude) week against the Obama campaign.

Last edited by Charles Taylor (07-25-2008 01:36 PM)

Charles Taylor wrote:

I can't believe any of you.  Nothing but criticism of the most progressive (and generally interesting) presidential campaign in modern history.

Meanwhile, the GOP candidate is telling bad jokes into broken microphones.

edit: In front of Obama supportors no less.

You can't believe we would criticize a person whose policies and beliefs are very nearly diametrically opposed to most of ours? 

Has it truly become an offense to criticize the candidate?  He needs the criticism - the collective fellating he is getting from an adoring press is douche-chill inducing - even for some liberal faces in "journalism". 

Are we criticising the whole campaign, or a fluff speech given with the laughable insistence that it is "not a campaign appearance".

ETA:  This non campaign trip continues to shape up nicely.  It seems that Obama's visits to wounded troops at Rammstein and Lamstuhl were canceled after they were informed that his senate staff only, no campaign staff and no media were allowed.  I'll keep my eyes open for other plausible reasons for canceling, but it seems after they learned of this rule the troop visits were excluded. 

Interesting that during this non campaign visit - you know, where he is an individual and a senator - the portion that got canceled is the one where he would have to act solely as a senator and an individual - with only senate staff along.

Last edited by Raoul Duke (07-25-2008 02:23 PM)

It seems to me that Obama keeps falling short of the hype and this speech was a great example of it.  100k+ people showed up cheering and amped up to see Obama but his speech was pretty bland (at least compared to Kennedy's) and the crowd seemed to lose interest as it progressed.

NPR spun the crowd reaction to say that Obama is such a straight talker that he told the Germans what the needed to hear, not what they wanted to hear.

Oh and:

Charles Taylor wrote:

...progressive...

/drinks

Even if it means they'll want to rip his balls off.

Jesus Is My Pilot wrote:

100k+ people showed up cheering and amped up to see Obama but his speech was pretty bland (at least compared to Kennedy's)

The Obama camp should be ashamed of themselves for being so bland.

Check this out.  It's hilarious.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen … 392846.ece


I briefly thought this guy was trying to be serious, I almost had a freakin' heart attack.

Qwinn

Last edited by Qwinn (07-25-2008 07:23 PM)