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One thing that few are mentioning about Ohio is the absenteee ballots, mainly those from overseas military personel.

There are about an additional 10,000 of those, and from all practical standpoints, they will likely turn above 75% for Bush - and be solid, not provisional.

Almost all the major networks (even MSNBC) are now calling Ohio for Bush, stating that the numbers are just not in Kerry's favor.

Now is the time on Shprockets vhen ve dance.

Slipstream wrote:

Fox / AP is reporting that Kerry just called Bush to concede.  Bush wins. 

Yup...Kerry did put up a good fight, what a good election.  Even though I voted for Kerry, obviously, the country thought Bush was the better man.  :thumbup: for Bush  :thumbup: for Kerry.

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The marijuana bills were being rejected last I saw, gay marriage was banned in 11 of the 11 states it was being proposed in.

vw86gti wrote:

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The marijuana bills were being rejected last I saw, gay marriage was banned in 11 of the 11 states it was being proposed in.

The medical MJ use amendment in Montana passed by a wide margin.  60-40 or more.

dubfan wrote:

vw86gti wrote:

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The marijuana bills were being rejected last I saw, gay marriage was banned in 11 of the 11 states it was being proposed in.

The medical MJ use amendment in Montana passed by a wide margin.  60-40 or more.

Not surprising, the Alaska measure was rejected.  But that bill was for the recreational use of Pot being legal.

And Bush won the popular vote so that means Al Gore is not President anymore?


Will this put to rest the idea of doing away with the electoral college?

Thank God it's over.

iDissent wrote:

So it looks like Bush is president after all.

Truth be told--I never considered him the president before due to the numerous problems with the 2000 election.  However, as far as I'm concerned he has been validated and I can can now call him president.

That said--I hope he excercises better judgement then he had in the first term.  Let's have a thoughtful, well planned solution to Iraq, and lets get Osama!  And please stop trying to push an evangelical agenda on those of us who are not.

Kerry was never the right canidate.  It sucks to be right sometimes.  But I'll profit from a Bush victory, so all is not lost.

If bad some oddity Kerry wins, I still expect a intelligent resolution to Iraq and to get Osama!


BTW--Does anyone have a source for the outcomes of the numerous state initiatives/propositions that were under consideration?  Gay marriage, marijuana, taxation, tribal casino gambling, etc.?  I read California passed the stem cell proposal.  Of particular concern are those for Alabama, which were proposals to edit the state constitution to repeal the right to education, repeal integrated schooling, and numerous ones concerning annex people's land and other abuses of eminent domain.

Way to take the loss. :thumbup:

"And please stop trying to push an evangelical agenda on those of us who are not."

Yeah really. I mean, what are us infanticidal, pro-homosexual, Godless folks supposed to do?   :shrug:


Tribal gaming in Cali was resoundingly rejected. Of course, the idiotic stem cell research was passed, led by none other than our two-faced governator. Way to go Arnie - plummeting us $6B more into debt while at the same time ostensibly trying to save the state from certain bankruptcy. :screwy:  Not to mention the severe ethical implications of this, let alone the fact that our tax dollars are going to support this horrible boondoggle. ATTENTION BIOTECH PROFESSIONALS: TIME TO MOVE TO KALI FOR YOUR GOVERNMENT GIVEAWAY!!

Meanwhile, where I'm at in SD at least, the left coast apparently continued the tradition of 2002, going even farther left. Boxer stayed in, campaigning primarily on protecting a mother's "right" to kill her baby. Her opponent was pratically a patsy, putting up almost no campaign fight, and screwed over, in part it appears at least, thanks to Arnie. At least a couple absurd statewide bond measures passed. Virtually all the wacko illegal-alien-supporting leftist officers here in San Diego were re-elected handily, DESPITE a HORRIBLE record in recent months and years. Filner, Kehoe, Vargus, to name a few. Our HORRIBLE traffic situation is still in limbo, but apparently a large majority of San Diego (one of the more, if not the most, conservative city in Kali) voters decided to validate 20 years of complete traffic management failure, choosing to support 40 more years of the same bullshit.

Seems like the best place for state measures so far is local news station websites. Here's one for California:

http://www.10news.com/politics/2887351/detail.html

Oh, and good riddance to Tom Dasshole! :thumbup:

iDissent wrote:

I think Ahhhhnold was forward thinking.

Prior to the tech boom, California laid the ground for a tech sector that went on to drive the entire industry, creating thousands of jobs, and generating billions and billions of dollars throughout the world.  This drove California's standing of 5th largest economy in the WORLD!  Now Arnie seeks to repeat that in the latest next great step in technology, biotech.

Its a smart move economically and technologically.  You'll thank him when you are older and benifitting from the research.


As for the election, I believe in democracy.  I believe in the process.  Loving democracy means that when your side loses, you accept it, and move on.  Losing and winning is part of the process.  Now is the time to say "how can we as a country solve our problems in unity?"

However, if he starts up with the divisive culture war crap again, he will lose my support...again.

if we do benefit years down the road, I WILL thank him.

But good leadership also means smart decision making, and this, just like his support for prematurely building "hydrogen highways" in Cali, demonstrates that he is a liberal-minded politician who believes government programs are generally good. He's not off the deep end, but its really quite simple - if the private sector didnt think this research was worth the risk (and successful biotech and pharmaceutical research rakes in disgusting amounts of profit), then I don't think it's worth dumping Cali into $6B of EVEN MORE debt in our tough times. Completely irresponsible, wreckless and indefensible, and he knows it.

I liked the little back-and-forth between Mel Gibson and Arnie about this. Mel described how Arnie brushed him off when Mel actually pushed for an explanation of his position. Sounds like typical Arnie - I've heard the same exact thing on talk radio straight from Arnie's mouth when he is pushed on tough positions where he's clearly wrong.

Culture war crap?? There is a culture war. And Bush (I presume you are referring to) and conservatives arent trying to force their culture on anyone, but rather are simply defending it from a growing onslaught of [dangerous!] liberalism.

Me personally - I fully agree. Healing and unity. But that doesnt mean compromise of principles. Just make sure you understand the difference.

what do you mean by "dangerous" liberalism?

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jettavr666 wrote:

devilether96 wrote:

what do you mean by "dangerous" liberalism?

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Id like to see the definition of dangerous conservatism personally

Yeah really. The latter is rather an oxymoron. The first is redundant.

Change always involves risk. In the case of liberalism, we risk losing what we know has worked well. Dangerous in that it (Liberalism) works more and more to toss out longstanding principles, and break down the ethical and moral foundations of our society. In many aspects, it actually tries to resurrect the flawed principles demonstrated by the sheer failure of communism. Clear enough for you? I could go into all the dilemmas and consequences of liberal mentality, but that could take a while. In lieu of that, try listening to a bit of conservative talk radio on a regular basis. It's not all talking points and spin, despite what this vile election cycle has induced it to become.